How did they handle that?
Silverstein practiced mind travel. He would sit and remember in great detail incidents of his life that were pleasurable. He also would do pushups and sit-ups. He asked for a Bible and eventually, one was slipped through his cell. He was largely illiterate, but taught himself to read and write by reading the Bible, and later became a Buddhist.
He later found purpose in life through correspondence and through his artwork. Silverstein survived on hate—he was not going to let the Bureau of Prisons destroy him.
Fountain, when he was granted privileges, took educational courses and got a degree. He had girlfriends and became very religious. Before he died, the Catholic Church was going to accept him as a Trappist monk and he was going to practice silence.
What were the repercussions of the murders they committed?
There were dramatic changes [to prison procedures] because of Fountain and Silverstein. [From then on] when a guy was taken out of his cell, you had to have three officers, handcuffs and a belly chain.
Eventually there was the first supermax prison. The Bureau of Prisons has six levels of prisoners [based on severity of the crime], and [then] Federal Bureau of Prisons Director Norman Carlson believed the prisoners in levels 5 and 6, the murderers, killers and predators, were professional prisoners. He also believed that prisons are not responsible for rehabilitation.
After Fountain and Silverstein murdered the corrections officers, punishment became part of the Bureau of Prisons. The idea was, 'If you act up, we are going to send you to supermax, and you have to earn your way out.'
What is life like for prisoners in supermax?
Prisoners in solitary confinement have a TV in their cells and get letters. If they flush the toilet, they can yell to each other [through the toilet] to communicate, and they can also pass notes to each other.
There are also prisoners in isolation in an area called Range 13, where Silverstein was kept, which is like a dungeon. There is a big argument in the mental health community about whether isolation causes permanent mental health damage. Silverstein was incredibly mentally strong but had moments when he considered suicide.
[Criminologist] Ward talks about how Fountain preferred isolation. He never grew up with friends and, in the prison environment, he was always worried about someone attacking him. So having a solid door and being isolated didn't bother him. He could do his studies; they gave him access to classes and a priest would come by to talk to him.
[Former Bureau of Prisons Director] Carlson described Silverstein and Fountain as being part of 'a very small subset of the federal inmate population that shows absolutely no concern for human life.' Do you agree with that?
I would phrase it as, 'There is a subset who has no qualms about killing someone else when it serves their purpose.'
Silverstein said murder is a serious subject and you don't do it without a reason. These guys in prison who kill [said they] had a specific reason: either they were being threatened, or they wanted to intimidate someone, or they had a grudge. Carlson's quote makes it sound like they got up in the morning and decided to kill someone.
Does preventing criminals from having contact with others lead to rehabilitation?
I never give up faith, but the recidivism rate is about 60 percent. [Editor's note: analysts for the Texas Legislative Budget Board found in 2015 that prisoners released after solitary confinement are rearrested at a 25 percent higher rate than those released from the overall prison system].
I think isolation and solitary confinement is not intended to rehabilitate people; it's intended to control their behavior. It's about fear and intimidation. I also think Silverstein and Fountain were so damaged in their youth—both came from highly abusive families—that the only way they would stop doing what they did is old age.
So how should prisons deal with such inmates?
Part of the reason I wrote the book was to raise questions about that—and I don't have the answer. How do you control someone who is willing to kill? I know that Carlson's view was to isolate them, so they can't hurt staff and others.
Do you think Fountain and Silverstein evolved as human beings?
I like to say they found purpose in their lives. Silverstein survived by hate—he hated the Bureau of Prisons—although that doesn't mean he wasn't capable of love. We became friends over those 33 years.
Fountain took the opposite route: he became incredibly religious and he asked for forgiveness. Those in the corrections system believe neither man reformed.
Did you find Silverstein to be a liar at any point?
No. He wanted to be taken seriously. He appreciated my books but said they were too pro-corrections.
When prisoners get violent, they can get 'four-pointed': tied to a slab, chained, each limb extended. He said to me, 'You write about that, but you have never lived that. You have never sat there, dying of thirst and hunger, urinating and peeing on yourself, having bugs crawl over you, mice crawl over you, a fly crawl up your nose. Just the inhumanity...'"
So, what are you going to do with these violent prisoners? Personally, I don't think four-pointing is humane, but I also have never had prisoners throw urine and feces in my face. I never had a prisoner try to stab me. I've been so close to it that I see both sides.